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The way the Setra models are organized today is probably not the best for how to tell one bus from another. It seems that the model number is considered the major type and then the letters are the subtype, but that is not the case with the Setra models.

The first digit of the number is giving the generation of models, so S4xx is 4th generation, and so on.
Then the letters behind the numbers give what kind of bus and what height, etc. Starting with NF as the low floor bus and HDH as the highest and best tourist coaches, with a lot of models in between. They are also grouped for different markets, with MultiClass for city and regional traffic, ComfortClass for express coaches and some tourist coaches, and TopClass for the top of the line tourist coaches.
Then the last two digits of the number give the maximum number of seat rows. In other words it says something about how long the bus is. So the S431 has maximum 31 seat rows and S411 has maximum 11 seat rows. But most buses will not have so high number of seat rows, because they want to give their passengers more comfort and leg room.

With this in mind the grouping of models today give kind of wrong result. Take for example S415, which includes S415NF, S415UL, S415H, S415GT-HD, S415HD and S415HDH. That would be the same as putting Mercedes Citaro, Integro, Tourismo RH, Tourismo, Travego and Travego SHD in the same group, because they are technically the same models as the Setras. Do you agree that this looks wrong?


Here is a suggestion for how to organize the models. The names in bold text are those I suggest to be a type you can choose, and then you would write the exact model yourself.
The list includes all known models of the 300 and 400 series (except the US market), but I don't know all models in the 200 series, so I just put some known models there.
I have separated S309HD from S312HD/S315HD, and S411HD from S415HD because the S309HD and S411HD are considered midibus length, while the others are considered normal.

TopClass 400
------------
S 431 DT
- S 431 DT

S 41x HDH
- S 415 HDH
- S 416 HDH
- S 417 HDH

S 415 HD
- S 415 HD

S 411 HD
- S 411 HD


ComfortClass 400
----------------
S 41x GT-HD
- S 415 GT-HD
- S 416 GT-HD
- S 416 GT-HD/2
- S 417 GT-HD
- S 419 GT-HD

S 41x GT
- S 415 GT
- S 416 GT


MultiClass 400
--------------
S 41x H
- S 415 H
- S 416 H

S 41x UL
- S 412 UL
- S 415 UL
- S 416 UL
- S 417 UL
- S 419 UL

S 41x NF
- S 415 NF
- S 416 NF



(TopClass)
----------
S 328 DT
- S 328 DT

S 316 HDS
- S 316 HDS

S 31x HDH
- S 315 HDH/2
- S 315 HDH/3
- S 317 HDH

S 31x HD
- S 315 HD
- S 312 HD

S 309 HD
- S 309 HD


ComfortClass
------------
S 31x GT-HD
- S 315 GT-HD
- S 317 GT-HD
- S 319 GT-HD

S 315 GT
- S 315 GT


MultiClass
----------
S 315 H
- S 315 H

S 31x UL
- S 313 UL
- S 315 UL
- S 316 UL
- S 317 UL
- S 319 UL

SG 321 UL
- SG 321 UL

S 31x NF
- S 315 NF
- S 319 NF


a bit of 200-series
-------------------

S 228 DT
- S 228 DT

S 21x HDH
- S 215 HDH
- S 217 HDH

S 21x HDS
- S 215 HDS
- S 216 HDS


Here on Phototrans the moderators have commented me for not writing the models like S415 HD (one space after number). I personally write like S415HD (no spaces), but in all text from Setra/EvoBus they write it like S 415 HD (two spaces). I think the best would be to use what Setra use, so why is that not axcepted here? I don't see it as a big problem, but would like to know what is the reason.

About the generations I was thinking about the same. I also think than this is ridiculous. In one category we have all types of buses. From 100% low floor to the HDH with really high board just because they have the same lenght. I think your system is much better but we can also make even more categories. For example the Mercedes buses ( example: Citaro and Citaro M, Citaro K) have they own categories so we can do the same with the Setra buses so even S415 NF and S416 NF could have they own categories and etc

I am not sure about adding too many categories. Models like Citaro are built in thousands, while most of the Setra models are only built in a few hundreds. Then one could have own categories for those models that are very numerous, and put together those that are not so many. I do not know any build count for all Setra models, but I guess the NF and UL are those with highest numbers. Possibly also the GT-HD, but only the shortest length.

Ok. I will try to do this in this way.

decomposed05 wrote:Ok. I will try to do this in this way.

Nice!

On the german language Wikipedia page for Setra is a nice list of different models and when they came, but it does not include all variations of all models: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setra


When it comes to updating the buses in the database, I may help do that work if you need that. It's just to make the categories that I obviously can't do.

Just a few days.

Tylko taka drobna uwaga: nie zmieniajmy sposobu zapisu typów, bo tak się przyjęło od dawna już, a spacja tu czy tam to i tak drobiazg, a się zaraz zrobi bałagan i każdy będzie inaczej napisany.
/The idea with categories is very good but I think it's better not to change way of writing types - we used to write "S215 UL" with space in that place and I think it's not good to make mess with versions "S215UL" and "S 215 UL".

And what about this models?
S110
S120
S130
S140
S150
S208
S209
S210
S211
S212
S213
S214

The same. It's not about the lenght but the level of board.

decomposed05 wrote:And what about this models?
S110
S120
S130
S140
S150
S208
S209
S210
S211
S212
S213
S214

S110, S120, S130, S140, S150 - without changes, there aren't a lot of them on TWB database
S208 H
S209 H
S210 H, S210 HD
S211 H, S211 HD
S212 H
S213 H, S213 UL, S213 RL
S214 HD
S215 H, S215 HD, S215 HR, S215 RL, S215 UL, S215 SL, S215 NF, S215 HDH/3


What is the difference between: S315 H and S315 UL, S315 HD and S315 GT-HD?