Ukraine, LAZ plant

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santehnik.ua
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Ukraine, LAZ plant

Post by santehnik.ua » 07 Aug 2013, 01:58

Hello! Please fix LAZ models.
First of all - standart. Why A191 but ЛАЗ-А183? LAZ does not use "-" in the notation of current models.
The official name is something like "Trolleybus E183D1", without LAZ word.

Here is list of modern models of city buses:
ЛАЗ A152D0 – 1■■2■■1 – Y8AA152D0■0■■■■■■ — Deutz BF6M1013FC
ЛАЗ AX183D – 2■2х2■2х2■2 – Y8AAX183D■0■■■■■■ — Deutz BF6M1013FC/ECP (AeroLAZ, for airports. Only 8 cars produced)
ЛАЗ A183D1 – 2■■2■■2 – Y8AA183D1■0■■■■■■ — Deutz BF6M1013FC/ECP (main model, almost all buses)
ЛАЗ A183N1 – 2■■2■■2 – Y8AA183N1■0■■■■■■ — MAN D0836 LOH02 (Sofia, only one car)
ЛАЗ A183D1 – 2■■2■■2 – Y8AA183D1■3■■■■■■ — Deutz TCD2013L06 4V (Euro-3) (2011+ year)
ЛАЗ A183D1 – 2■■2■■2 – Y6EA183D1■4■■■■■■ — Deutz TCD2013L06 4V (Euro-4) (Vehicles for Skopje)
ЛАЗ A183N1 – 2■■2■■2 – Y6EA183N1■5■■■■■■ — MAN D0836 LOH64 (only one car, at the plant now)
ЛАЗ A183NG – 2■■2■■2 – Y6EA183NG■5■■■■■■ — MAN E0836 LOH01 (CNG)
ЛАЗ A183F0 – 2■■2■■2 – Y8AA183F0■0■■■■■■ — Yuchai YC6A260-20
ЛАЗ A191F0 – 2■■■2■■■ – Y8AA191F0■0■■■■■■ — Yuchai YC6A260-20
ЛАЗ A292D1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AA292D1■0■■■■■■ — Deutz BF6M1013FC/ECP
ЛАЗ A292D1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AA292D1■3■■■■■■ — Deutz TCD2013L06 4V (Euro-3)
ЛАЗ A292D1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AA292D1■4■■■■■■ — Deutz TCD2013L06 4V (Euro-4)

About trolleybuses:
ЛАЗ-Е301А1
(ЛАЗ) (2xПЭМЗ ДТА-1У1/2У1 180kW/241HP) 46/180 [2-2-2-2] (2011-)
This is wrong, we have two variant's:
ЛАЗ E301A1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AE301A1■0■■■■■■ — 1xДТА-2У1 (default, Donetsk 25 vehicles)
ЛАЗ E301A1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AE301A1■2■■■■■■ — 2xДТА-5У1 (Kyiv 2665, and 3 vehicles in Kremenchuk)

Thank's
koziutek
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Re: Ukraine, LAZ plant

Post by koziutek » 07 Aug 2013, 03:19

santehnik.ua wrote:Hello! Please fix LAZ models.
I think you deserve the "editor" privilege, which will allow you to make the edits yourself :)
santehnik.ua wrote: First of all - standart. Why A191 but ЛАЗ-А183?
We're undergoing a major transition in the database structure. A191 hasn't been edited so far, so it remains without the manufacturer's name.
santehnik.ua wrote: LAZ does not use "-" in the notation of current models.
The usage of "-" and "." in the ex-USSR bus classification is a long story and it's hard to determine what's the appropriate standard :)
But obviously we can remove it.
santehnik.ua wrote: Here is list of modern models of city buses:
Great!!! I couldn't find it anywhere, that's why LAZ A183 is still just a generic model, without any engines assigned.

santehnik.ua wrote: This is wrong, we have two variant's:
ЛАЗ E301A1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AE301A1■0■■■■■■ — 1xДТА-2У1 (default, Donetsk 25 vehicles)
ЛАЗ E301A1 – 2■■2■■■2■■2 – Y8AE301A1■2■■■■■■ — 2xДТА-5У1 (Kyiv 2665, and 3 vehicles in Kremenchuk)
I based on wikipedia, but your version obviously sounds more accurate.
BTW: could you verify the motor information for LAZ 52522? Is there really any difference between "ЕД-13842" and "ЕД-138Y2" motors?
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Re: Ukraine, LAZ plant

Post by santehnik.ua » 07 Aug 2013, 10:58

I think you deserve the "editor" privilege, which will allow you to make the edits yourself :)
It would be nice :)

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BTW: could you verify the motor information for LAZ 52522? Is there really any difference between "ЕД-13842" and "ЕД-138Y2" motors?
Hm... It looks like a mistake. Somebody mixed up 4 and A.
As far as i know, there is two mods:
ЕД-138У2 - 130kW
ЕД-138АУ2 - 132kW
But one of the latest (restyled) car have ЕД-138У2:
http://alltransua.com/laz52522/towns/ch ... 2010_7.jpg
Older too:
http://alltransua.com/laz52522/images/zavtable.jpg
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Re: Ukraine, LAZ plant

Post by santehnik.ua » 29 Aug 2013, 17:35

Hello again.
Now i have another question. How do plants are added to the site?
We have Bogdan Corporation, which included three plants that are seen in the production of buses.
They are:
WOS Assembly plant #1 of PJSC Automobile Company Bogdan Motors (formerly OJSC Lutsk Automobile Plant) - main factory in Lutsk. Producing buses and trolleybuses
JSC "Cherkassky autobus"
Bus factory "Bogdan" (Cherkassy again)
Now there was one plant in Lutsk, a second plant was sold and is now releasing the same technique, but under a different brand (Ataman), and third factory was closed.
How does this contribute to the site?

Here is a model list of plant's (not full)

WOS Assembly plant #1 of PJSC Automobile Company Bogdan Motors (formerly OJSC Lutsk Automobile Plant)

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Bogdan A066
Bogdan A067
Bogdan A06900	
Bogdan A06901	
Bogdan A06921	
Bogdan A09201 (~500 cars, almost all A09201 produced in Cherkassy.)
Bogdan A09202 (~700 cars, almost all A09201 produced in Cherkassy.)
Bogdan A09211
Bogdan A09212
Bogdan A09280	
Bogdan A144.1
Bogdan A144.3	
Bogdan A144.5	
Bogdan A145
Bogdan A145.1	
Bogdan A145.2	
Bogdan A20110	
Bogdan A20111	
Bogdan A20120	
Bogdan A20210	
Bogdan A20211	
Bogdan A20220	
Bogdan A20410 (school)	
Bogdan A20420 (school)	
Bogdan A22110	
Bogdan A231	
Bogdan A30212	
Bogdan A30220	
Bogdan A40162	
Bogdan A50110	
Bogdan A60110	
Bogdan A70110	
Bogdan A70132	
Bogdan A70190	
Bogdan A70522	
Bogdan A80110	
Bogdan A80190
Bogdan E231
Bogdan T50110
Bogdan T60111
Bogdan T60112
Bogdan T70110
Bogdan T70115
Bogdan T70118
Bogdan T80110
Bogdan Т90110

Bus factory "Bogdan" (Cherkassy) Closed

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Bogdan A062
Bogdan A064	
Bogdan A144	
Bogdan A144.1	
Bogdan A144.2	
Bogdan A145	
Bogdan A231	
Bogdan AX071
Cherkassky autobus (ex-corporation "Bogdan")

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Modern models:
Ataman A092
Ataman A09202	
Ataman A09204	
Ataman A09206	
Ataman A09214	
Ataman A093	
Ataman A09302	
Ataman A09304	
Ataman A09312	
Ataman A09314	
Ataman A093H4	
Ataman А092H4	
Old model's, that didn't producing now:
Bogdan A04912 "Tur"
Bogdan A067
Bogdan A0811	
Bogdan A091	
Bogdan A091
Bogdan A091.1	
Bogdan A091.2 (school bus)	
Bogdan A0913	
Bogdan A09201	
Bogdan A09201H	
Bogdan A09202	
Bogdan A09203	
Bogdan A09204	
Bogdan A0921
Bogdan А09211
Bogdan A09212	
Bogdan A09214	
Bogdan A092H2	
Bogdan A092S2	
Bogdan A09302	
Bogdan A09304	
Bogdan A09312	
Bogdan A09314	
Bogdan A100	
Bogdan A30172	
Bogdan A40162	
Bogdan C09211	
Bogdan А30141	
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koziutek
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Re: Ukraine, LAZ plant

Post by koziutek » 29 Aug 2013, 20:03

In general, we add companies, not particular plants. In this case, models produced by all three plants owned by Bogdan should be added under Bogdan. After the Cherkasy plant was sold and began to operate as an independent company, it should be added as a new manufacturer (Ataman). The Ataman buses should be added as separate models, although they could be assigned to Bogdan A092 chassises/bodies.

PS you have the editor privileges now, so you can make some edits yourself :)
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