Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Kompromis łatwo wypracować, bo pośrodku drogi pomiędzy powiatem, a pojedynczą miejscowością jest gmina. Z resztą odnoszę wrażenie, większość podziela taką opinię, że gminy są najlepsze.
Aha i nie pisz empi, że Pionki mają prawa miejskie, więc nie ma problemu. Pogadaj z Krzychem. Wedle jego wizji choćby w jednym powiecie była Warszawa i Kraków to zdjęcia mają trafiać pod siedzibę powiatu.
Przede wszystkim należałoby w końcu tę sprawę zamknąć i uważam, że gmina jest najlepszym wyjściem. Ba - jeśli byśmy to już ustalili, to deco mógłby pochachmęcić trochę w bazie i na przykład dać możliwość włączania/wyłączania możliwości wrzucania pod miejscowość zdjęć (tak jak teraz jest pstryczek czy zdjęcia mają dostępne czy nie). Dzięki temu jak się doda wioskę (bo jest z niej przewoźnik), to będzie tam wisiał przewoźnik, ale zdjęć nie będzie można dodać. To moim zdaniem byłoby fajne.
Aha i nie pisz empi, że Pionki mają prawa miejskie, więc nie ma problemu. Pogadaj z Krzychem. Wedle jego wizji choćby w jednym powiecie była Warszawa i Kraków to zdjęcia mają trafiać pod siedzibę powiatu.
Przede wszystkim należałoby w końcu tę sprawę zamknąć i uważam, że gmina jest najlepszym wyjściem. Ba - jeśli byśmy to już ustalili, to deco mógłby pochachmęcić trochę w bazie i na przykład dać możliwość włączania/wyłączania możliwości wrzucania pod miejscowość zdjęć (tak jak teraz jest pstryczek czy zdjęcia mają dostępne czy nie). Dzięki temu jak się doda wioskę (bo jest z niej przewoźnik), to będzie tam wisiał przewoźnik, ale zdjęć nie będzie można dodać. To moim zdaniem byłoby fajne.
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Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Też mi się tak wydaje. Może by jakąś sondę zrobić?Amalio wrote:Kompromis łatwo wypracować, bo pośrodku drogi pomiędzy powiatem, a pojedynczą miejscowością jest gmina. Z resztą odnoszę wrażenie, większość podziela taką opinię, że gminy są najlepsze.
Kolejny ciekawy pomysł pod którym chyba warto postawić plusa. Mój pomysł jest taki, aby zrobić coś takiego, że w spisie miast województwa widzielibyśmy miasta zapisane w jakiejś wyraźnej formie w zależności od znaczenia terytorialnego. Przykładowo miasta powiatowe czcionką pogrubioną, województwo czcionką w 2 rozmiary większą, gminy czcionką normalną, a wioski na szaro lub bardziej wyblakłym odcieniem.Przede wszystkim należałoby w końcu tę sprawę zamknąć i uważam, że gmina jest najlepszym wyjściem. Ba - jeśli byśmy to już ustalili, to deco mógłby pochachmęcić trochę w bazie i na przykład dać możliwość włączania/wyłączania możliwości wrzucania pod miejscowość zdjęć (tak jak teraz jest pstryczek czy zdjęcia mają dostępne czy nie). Dzięki temu jak się doda wioskę (bo jest z niej przewoźnik), to będzie tam wisiał przewoźnik, ale zdjęć nie będzie można dodać. To moim zdaniem byłoby fajne.
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Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Może za sondę potraktujmy powyższe wypowiedzi i te tutaj: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=83&start=80 . Wypowiadający się są generalnie na tak.Luke_Police wrote:Też mi się tak wydaje. Może by jakąś sondę zrobić?Amalio wrote:Kompromis łatwo wypracować, bo pośrodku drogi pomiędzy powiatem, a pojedynczą miejscowością jest gmina. Z resztą odnoszę wrażenie, większość podziela taką opinię, że gminy są najlepsze.
Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
A odróżnienie gmin o tej samej nazwie, inny niż tylko wyszczególnienie województwa? Na przykład mamy dwie gminy Adamów, jedna w powiecie łukowskim, druga w zamojskim. W wersji powiatowej zdjęcia z jednej szły by pod Łuków, z drugiej pod Zamość i nie było by problemu, a tak będą na liście dwie pozycje "Adamów (Lubelskie)"? Czy po prostu w nazwie miejscowości będzie wpisane nie "Adamów", a "Adamów (pow. łukowski)"?
Tryb otwarty nie boli! 

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Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Owszem mogą się zdarzyć takie przypadki. Cenny pomysł na rozróżnienie powtarzających się nazw.evalyen wrote:Czy po prostu w nazwie miejscowości będzie wpisane nie "Adamów", a "Adamów (pow. łukowski)"?
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Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Finalna wersja (angielski). Proszę o poprawki
1. Country subdivision
1.1. We are adding places (cities or towns) which have registered operators or settlements having municipal privileges.
1.2. Photos should be connected in order of country subdivision rules:
- Poland / Polska - powiat
- we are waiting for input from other countries.
2. Operators
2.1 Operators should be added to place where main residence of company is located. No matters where company using its vehicles.
2.2. We are writing only data we are sure. If we do not know, leave field blank.
2.2.1. In field "Full name" we should write full name of operator without abbreviations and suffixes like GmBh, DOO, SA etc. In case we are adding unknown operator we can insert "?" here.
2.2.2. In field "Abbreviation" we should add abbreviation of operators name like "MPK" from "Miejskie Przedsiębiorstwo Komunikacyjne". Descriptions and other information are not allowed here. In case we are adding unknown operator we can insert "?" here.
2.2.3. Field "Address" should be filled with postal code, city and number of house (if applicable).
2.2.4. Field "Telephone number" whe can write telephone number starting with "+" without brackets, minuses.
2.2.5. In field "Web Page" we should type web address of official page of company starting with "http://". Adding unofficial sites here is not allowed.
2.2.6. "Other Information" is supposed to add more details about operator like history.
2.3. Adding divisions, units, depots is not allowed. Vehicles should be added to main company / operator. We can describe assigment in "other information" under vehicle.
2.4. We should avoid needles adding operator. In case small changing of legal form of ownership (in case of private company for example) we do not need to create new operator. Just inform about it in "other information". If you have doubt what to do. Ask on forum.
2.5. Leasing is treaten like a "normal" ownership of company which is using vehicle. We can add info about it in "other information".
2.6. Vehicle manufacturers exists here as a owners of demonstration buses only. Vehicles produced on order of operators we treat as property of these operators. In other way we would have a lot of solarises assigned to Solaris Bus company, volvos to Volvo bus company because every vehicle was in factory during production and it is needless information.
2.7. Vehicles of operators we do not know we should assign to operator "?" and name of the city which is pointed by registration plates (not applicable to Hungary of course - in this case we are relaying on your nose). In doubts you are welcome on our forum.
3. Vehicles
3.1. Before we add vehicle check if vehicle already exist in database. For example by function "search vehicle".
3.2. We are inserting data we are sure only. Not guessing.
3.3. Writing "xxx", "x", "?", "." as registration plates or vehicle numbers are not allowed.
3.4. In case we do not now model name of vehicle assign it to "Miscellaneous vehicles". Asigning vehicles to nonvalid models is forbidden.
3.5. If model name is not listed ask on forum to be added because only people with "Editor" privileges can do that. This is for avoiding mess in list of vehicles.
3.6. Vehicles builded over different chassises (like Volvo, Scania, EAGs) we should describe in field "Full name" as "Chassis manufacturer and model/Body manufacturer and model" like "Volvo B12R / Alfabusz Regio". Please note that there is a lot of exceptions of this rule so please consult it on forum or look like similar vehicles are described.
3.7. In case we know more than one VIN number for this vehicle. We are writing body VIN and others we can insert in "other information".
3.8. Name of vehicle is the name given by manufacturer not matters if vehicle were rebuilt, shortened or added new part. So even company rebuilt Ikarus 280 to 260. Is a still Ikarus 280 according our rules.
3.9. Back office vehicles like trucks, vans we should add to „Technical Equipment”. Exception is rebuilt buses which should remain in original model.
3.10. We do not typing trade names of vehicles in "Full name of vehicle" like "Citaro", "Axer". Exception is if model don't
have other name than trade name "Lion's" family or original name bothers categorization.
3.11. We can delete vehicle by changing its owner to Recycled Operator.
4. Photos.
4.1. Vehicles rented should be described with number of owner.
4.2. Photos from factories should be assigned to future owners of vehicles.
4.3. In the beggining of description we should add place of taking photo like "City, Street name". Exception is photo of details and interior of vehicles.
4.4. It is forbidden to add photos with blurred or modified faces or registration plates in graphical programs.
4.5. On site we can publish photos of following vehicles:
4.5.1. mini, midi, maxi, mega class Buses (from 9 meters to unlimited length), trams, trolleys, subway - without limits
4.5.2. vans, buses based on trucks and small buses - only first photo of vehicle or information photo (has some interesting aspects)
4.5.3. trams and trolleys - without limits.
4.5.4. urban train systems - please consider if more accurate is rail part of phototrans.eu (rail.phototrans.eu).
4.6 We do not publish following type of transports:
4.6.1. Cable cars
4.6.2. Funiculars. Publish it on rail.phototrans.eu (exception is trams from Lisboa).
4.6.2. Tourist trains like tractors + trailers or supermarket toys. We do not publish at all.
4.6.3. cars without special equipment even it is used by transport company. Exception is first photo vehicle (just for information).
5. Tags
5.1. Tags are not obligatory
5.2. Tags are divided by semicolons without spaces.
5.3. Tags duplicating info from standard search like "registration number", "name of vehicle", "vehicle number" are forbidden.
5.4. Tags of unnumbered routes we should write in direction of going vehicle with space between and after minus (like: Warszawa - Radom)
5.5. Every user can invent and use own set of tags. You can promote it in thread "Tags" of phototrans.eu forum.
1. Country subdivision
1.1. We are adding places (cities or towns) which have registered operators or settlements having municipal privileges.
1.2. Photos should be connected in order of country subdivision rules:
- Poland / Polska - powiat
- we are waiting for input from other countries.
2. Operators
2.1 Operators should be added to place where main residence of company is located. No matters where company using its vehicles.
2.2. We are writing only data we are sure. If we do not know, leave field blank.
2.2.1. In field "Full name" we should write full name of operator without abbreviations and suffixes like GmBh, DOO, SA etc. In case we are adding unknown operator we can insert "?" here.
2.2.2. In field "Abbreviation" we should add abbreviation of operators name like "MPK" from "Miejskie Przedsiębiorstwo Komunikacyjne". Descriptions and other information are not allowed here. In case we are adding unknown operator we can insert "?" here.
2.2.3. Field "Address" should be filled with postal code, city and number of house (if applicable).
2.2.4. Field "Telephone number" whe can write telephone number starting with "+" without brackets, minuses.
2.2.5. In field "Web Page" we should type web address of official page of company starting with "http://". Adding unofficial sites here is not allowed.
2.2.6. "Other Information" is supposed to add more details about operator like history.
2.3. Adding divisions, units, depots is not allowed. Vehicles should be added to main company / operator. We can describe assigment in "other information" under vehicle.
2.4. We should avoid needles adding operator. In case small changing of legal form of ownership (in case of private company for example) we do not need to create new operator. Just inform about it in "other information". If you have doubt what to do. Ask on forum.
2.5. Leasing is treaten like a "normal" ownership of company which is using vehicle. We can add info about it in "other information".
2.6. Vehicle manufacturers exists here as a owners of demonstration buses only. Vehicles produced on order of operators we treat as property of these operators. In other way we would have a lot of solarises assigned to Solaris Bus company, volvos to Volvo bus company because every vehicle was in factory during production and it is needless information.
2.7. Vehicles of operators we do not know we should assign to operator "?" and name of the city which is pointed by registration plates (not applicable to Hungary of course - in this case we are relaying on your nose). In doubts you are welcome on our forum.
3. Vehicles
3.1. Before we add vehicle check if vehicle already exist in database. For example by function "search vehicle".
3.2. We are inserting data we are sure only. Not guessing.
3.3. Writing "xxx", "x", "?", "." as registration plates or vehicle numbers are not allowed.
3.4. In case we do not now model name of vehicle assign it to "Miscellaneous vehicles". Asigning vehicles to nonvalid models is forbidden.
3.5. If model name is not listed ask on forum to be added because only people with "Editor" privileges can do that. This is for avoiding mess in list of vehicles.
3.6. Vehicles builded over different chassises (like Volvo, Scania, EAGs) we should describe in field "Full name" as "Chassis manufacturer and model/Body manufacturer and model" like "Volvo B12R / Alfabusz Regio". Please note that there is a lot of exceptions of this rule so please consult it on forum or look like similar vehicles are described.
3.7. In case we know more than one VIN number for this vehicle. We are writing body VIN and others we can insert in "other information".
3.8. Name of vehicle is the name given by manufacturer not matters if vehicle were rebuilt, shortened or added new part. So even company rebuilt Ikarus 280 to 260. Is a still Ikarus 280 according our rules.
3.9. Back office vehicles like trucks, vans we should add to „Technical Equipment”. Exception is rebuilt buses which should remain in original model.
3.10. We do not typing trade names of vehicles in "Full name of vehicle" like "Citaro", "Axer". Exception is if model don't
have other name than trade name "Lion's" family or original name bothers categorization.
3.11. We can delete vehicle by changing its owner to Recycled Operator.
4. Photos.
4.1. Vehicles rented should be described with number of owner.
4.2. Photos from factories should be assigned to future owners of vehicles.
4.3. In the beggining of description we should add place of taking photo like "City, Street name". Exception is photo of details and interior of vehicles.
4.4. It is forbidden to add photos with blurred or modified faces or registration plates in graphical programs.
4.5. On site we can publish photos of following vehicles:
4.5.1. mini, midi, maxi, mega class Buses (from 9 meters to unlimited length), trams, trolleys, subway - without limits
4.5.2. vans, buses based on trucks and small buses - only first photo of vehicle or information photo (has some interesting aspects)
4.5.3. trams and trolleys - without limits.
4.5.4. urban train systems - please consider if more accurate is rail part of phototrans.eu (rail.phototrans.eu).
4.6 We do not publish following type of transports:
4.6.1. Cable cars
4.6.2. Funiculars. Publish it on rail.phototrans.eu (exception is trams from Lisboa).
4.6.2. Tourist trains like tractors + trailers or supermarket toys. We do not publish at all.
4.6.3. cars without special equipment even it is used by transport company. Exception is first photo vehicle (just for information).
5. Tags
5.1. Tags are not obligatory
5.2. Tags are divided by semicolons without spaces.
5.3. Tags duplicating info from standard search like "registration number", "name of vehicle", "vehicle number" are forbidden.
5.4. Tags of unnumbered routes we should write in direction of going vehicle with space between and after minus (like: Warszawa - Radom)
5.5. Every user can invent and use own set of tags. You can promote it in thread "Tags" of phototrans.eu forum.
Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
I did some corrections to "Vehicles" section, to look it more clear and easy to understand. Although, there are some differences to Polish version:
English rule 3.6 tells users to put spaces before and after /, while Polish one - doesn't. (EN: Mercedes O405 / Hess; PL: Mercedes O405/Hess). Which one is correct?
English rule 3.6 tells users to put spaces before and after /, while Polish one - doesn't. (EN: Mercedes O405 / Hess; PL: Mercedes O405/Hess). Which one is correct?
3.1. Before adding new vehicle record, please check if vehicle already exists in database. It can be done using function "search vehicle".
3.2. No presumptions or guesses allowed. You should not add information if you are not completely sure of it. Any unconfirmed information should be put in Other Information field.
3.3. Writing "xxx", "x", "?", "." as registration plates or vehicle numbers are not allowed.
3.4. In case if model of vehicle is unknown, it should be assigned to "Miscellaneous vehicles". Assigning vehicles to invalid models is forbidden.
3.5. If model name is not listed, ask it to be added on forums because only people with "Editor" privileges can do that. This is for avoiding mess in list of vehicles.
3.6. Vehicles which have different body and chassis (like Volvo, Scania, EAGs) should be described in field "Full name" as "Chassis manufacturer and model / Body manufacturer and model", for example "Volvo B12R / Alfabusz Regio". Please note that there are a lot of exceptions of this rule so please consult it on forum or look like similar vehicles are described.
3.7. In case there are more than one VIN numbers for the vehicle, body VIN number should be put into "VIN" field while others into "Other Information".
3.8. Name of vehicle is the name given by manufacturer. It doesn't matter if vehicle was rebuilt, shortened or modified by any other means. For example, if Ikarus 280 was rebuilt to Ikarus 260, it will still be Ikarus 280, according to our rules.
3.9. Service (non-passenger) vehicles like trucks and vans should be add to „Technical Equipment”. Exceptions are rebuilt buses which should remain in original model, according to rule 3.8.
3.10. Vehicle trade names (like "Citaro", "Axer") should not be written in "Full name of vehicle" field. Exception is if model don't have other name than trade name (like "Lion's" family) or original name cannot be used to tell the difference between vehicles (like Neoplan N316SHD Transliner and Euroliner).
3.11. Vehicle can be deleted by changing its owner to Recycled Operator.
Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
LOL? Przecież wszystkie współcześnie produkowane MANy mają swoje oficjalne oznaczenie. Schemat jest ten sam co od dziesięcioleci. Pytanie po prostu kto w ogóle wymyślił by pisać Lion's City/Regio/Coach...decomposed05 wrote: Exception is if model don't
have other name than trade name like "Lion's" family or original name bothers categorization.
LOL? For the whole time every MAN has the same designation like other models for the last few decades. The question is who invented the idea to write Lion's City/Regio/Coach in the name.
Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
This is not a correction. This is making a new rule. New rule - discussion.Mettal wrote:original name cannot be used to tell the difference between vehicles (like Neoplan N316SHD Transliner and Euroliner).
And as I Can see this is a bad rule because it is about differences between two generations.
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Re: Regulamin edycji danych części niekolejowej TWB
Who wrote this?Amalio wrote:LOL? Przecież wszystkie współcześnie produkowane MANy mają swoje oficjalne oznaczenie. Schemat jest ten sam co od dziesięcioleci. Pytanie po prostu kto w ogóle wymyślił by pisać Lion's City/Regio/Coach...decomposed05 wrote: Exception is if model don't
have other name than trade name like "Lion's" family or original name bothers categorization.
LOL? For the whole time every MAN has the same designation like other models for the last few decades. The question is who invented the idea to write Lion's City/Regio/Coach in the name.
Amalio: ja mam wrażenie, że ty chcesz się pokłócić a nie coś ustalić czy poprawić. Dlatego wnoszę o łyk świeżego powietrza i niepisanie w tym wątku. Jeśli masz uwagi co do zasad tu zaprezentowanych to czekam na wypowiedzi, jeśli chcesz męczyć centrolinera nadal to idź się przewietrz.The only stupid exeption is the Lion's family